In group, when Rachel talked about parents choosing drugs over kids, you seemed hesitant to agree with her.
It?s not a choice, I think that?s what I was going for. Everyone in that room was guilty of the same thing. Their disease gets in the way of all kinds of things and causes them to do things that hurt other people. There?s no choice involved. Addicts don?t have choices. They use because they?re addicts. It?s not necessarily that they don?t love their children. They love their children, but their biology supersedes them. And behind Rachel?s original sentiment is her saying, ?I?m not lovable enough to have been chosen over drugs.? I think that?s what I was going for: it has nothing to do with how much the addict loved you.
I get that, but it seems like from a practical standpoint, the idea is to get addicts off drugs so that they don?t effectively choose to spend their time with drugs as opposed to spending it with their kids.
The whole idea of choice is antithetical to the concept of addiction. Of course they would choose to spend time with their kids, if they had the ability to choose. They don?t have that ability. Addiction takes that away from them. They use because they?re an addict, not because they don?t love their children or wouldn?t choose to be with their children. Rachel wants to blame [an addict from her childhood], and wants him to be responsible for what he did so that she can feel justified in her anger. But in hanging onto that anger, she?s also justifying to herself her unlovebility ? her inability to be in a genuine relationship and to be worthy of someone caring about her.
I guess all that goes to show that a key part of this process is understanding the truths of addiction, period.
That?s right. What they start doing is going, ?Oh my God, I have the same thing my dad has. I?m the same person as him, making those ?choices.?? When that light bulb goes off, they feel shattered sometimes. We start setting the table for that, too.
Frankie has a withdrawal in this episode that you say has the strangest symptoms you?ve ever seen.
Rather than agitated and irritable and escalated, she becomes withdrawn and sort of unreachable. It?s a very strange fugue state that she goes into. It was very unusual, particularly with the amount of alcohol she was consuming. I was prepared for a seizure to suddenly emerge, because that?s sort of where it goes: they get sick, start feeling bad and then have a seizure.
Was there anything particularly evocative in the Shields for Families trip?
It?s always so intense when we go there and listen to those kids. Frankie felt very connected and supported by this. There were several women there, mothers who were a lot like Frankie, and it was good for Frankie to see them in recovery and for them to reach out to her. They continued to call her all throughout treatment. It was a very important, relatable source for her. At times, Frankie would say, ?You can?t relate to my life and my culture. There?s not enough people here from my background.? I felt bad for her for that. I agreed with her, and whenever that happens, I become deeply, deeply concerned. So this helped bridge some of that.
It seems ironic, though given her exploits it maybe isn?t at all, but it?s at least strange that Frankie is known for being a mother, and yet she has this history of drugs getting in the way of her mothering.
Let?s leave that at there?s more to be revealed, as far as what Frankie was dealing with when she was doing the so-called ?bad mothering.? Wait till you hear the stories, I hope they make it on the show. Unbelievable situation.
You met with Eric?s stepson/former drug buddy, but that didn?t result in a meeting between him and Eric. Why not?
I wasn?t ready, and I was still trying to figure out what we were doing there: what the point was, what the goals were. I just was still trying to figure out what we were going to do.
The final point of the episode involves interference Jason Davis was getting from his friends regarding continuing his treatment. There?s a very strange situation where they go to pick him up, he leaves the center and they pull away before he can enter the car.
That?s actually what happened.
That?s so weird.
Well, if you knew his friends (laughs). It was serendipity. And the police came.
Does stuff like this make you wish the patients had zero access to their cell phones?
Well, sure. It would make life easier. But I have a certain obligation to give them the capacity to communicate with the outside world. Some places don?t do that, but hospitals have to give certain privileges. By the way, we have to deal with those friends anyway eventually, so what the heck.
Source: http://blog.vh1.com/2010-12-22/examining-celebrity-rehab-4-with-dr-drew-episode-6/
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